Proposal: remote backends, serving a catalog model from an upstream

Summary

This proposes that a model in the SIE catalog can be served by a remote backend. The remote backend can be the only place the model runs, or it can stand in for local capacity that is not ready.

The contributing guide asks for direction to be confirmed before a cross-package change. This issue is that request. Nothing is built yet.

Motivation

Three situations come up for people who run SIE.

A model has no adapter yet. The model is reachable somewhere else through an OpenAI-compatible endpoint. Today an application needs a second base URL, a second key and a second client for it.
The first request after scale-from-zero waits. The gateway answers 503 with Retry-After and X-SIE-Error-Code: PROVISIONING until a worker is ready, and the SDK waits. A model that is not loaded on a live worker answers MODEL_LOADING in the same way.
Hardware is fixed. When local capacity is full, a request is refused. Some operators have a second SIE deployment, or a hosted endpoint, that could take the excess.

Comparable servers have added this in the last year. llama-swap has peers and selectors with warm and spillover strategies. LocalAI has failover chains over local and remote targets. GPUStack added public model providers.

Proposal

Terms

Term	Meaning
Upstream	A named endpoint outside this SIE deployment, with a kind, a base URL and a reference to a credential
Upstream kind	`openai` for an OpenAI-compatible endpoint. `sie` for another SIE deployment
Remote profile	A profile whose adapter is a remote adapter. Addressable as `model:remote`
Remote-backed model	A model with no local weights. Every profile it has is a remote profile
Routing policy	How a request for the bare model name chooses between the local profile and the remote profile

Where the call is made

The remote adapter runs in a worker. It is one more engine behind the adapter boundary. The gateway stays queue-only, holds no upstream credential and makes no upstream call. Its only new job is to choose which profile serves.

Three adapters are already OpenAI-protocol clients aimed at a local port: mlx, tensorrt_llm and the SGLang embedding adapter. A remote adapter is that client with a configured base URL and credential.

One implementation serves the single-node server and the cluster.

Configuration

An upstream is defined in deployment configuration: Helm values in a cluster, startup configuration on a single node. The model configuration API can name an upstream. It can never define one.

upstreams:
  team-sie:
    kind: sie
    base_url: https://sie.example.internal
    api_key_secret: team-sie-key
    rate_cap:
      requests_per_minute: 600
      max_concurrency: 32

A model gains a remote profile and a routing block.

sie_id: BAAI/bge-m3
hf_id: BAAI/bge-m3
routing:
  policy: fallback
  fallback_profile: remote
profiles:
  default:
    adapter_path: <the local adapter>
  remote:
    adapter_path: sie_server.adapters.remote.<adapter>
    adapter_options:
      loadtime:
        upstream: team-sie
        upstream_model: BAAI/bge-m3

The public model name never encodes where the model runs. A model that is served remotely today keeps its name when it is later served locally. A request that names a profile is honoured as written. The routing policy applies only to the bare model name.

Policies

Policy	Behaviour
`remote_only`	The bare model name resolves to the remote profile
`fallback`	Local is tried first. When it refuses before accepting the work, the remote profile serves
`threshold`	The remote profile serves while demand is low and the lane stays asleep. Sustained demand wakes the lane

fallback triggers:

Trigger	Local signal	Default
`provisioning`	No healthy worker for the lane	On
`model_loading`	A healthy worker exists and the model is not loaded	On
`saturated`	Backpressure or resource exhaustion	Opt-in
`unhealthy`	Local capacity is down	Opt-in

A bridged request always triggers the local warm-up. Serving remotely without waking local capacity would make the upstream the permanent server.

threshold would ship last and behind a flag.

Equivalence rule for `encode` and `score`

Under fallback and threshold, one model name is served by two backends. For encode a difference between them is permanent, because the vectors are stored. For score it changes the score scale. There is public evidence that the same weights can produce different vectors on different stacks, for example this report.

The proposal is that hybrid serving of these two primitives is refused at configuration load unless one of two conditions holds.

Identity, for an sie upstream. The upstream reports the same weights revision and profile identity as the local profile.
Proof, for an openai upstream. A passing equivalence record exists for that exact upstream and model. A probe suite produces it. It covers short and long inputs, the truncation boundary, instruction prefixes and score scale.

remote_only is not affected. It has one backend.

Caller contract

Every request served by an upstream passes through the same validation and response shaping as a local request. A field SIE does not accept is rejected, also when the upstream would accept it. Under fallback the caller cannot know which side will serve, so the accepted fields cannot depend on it.

An operator can set or strip upstream parameters per upstream. A caller cannot pass extra fields upstream.

Header	Direction	Meaning
`X-SIE-Remote: forbid`	Request	The request is never served remotely
`X-SIE-Served-By`	Response	`local` or `remote`
`X-SIE-Upstream`	Response	The upstream name, when served remotely
`X-SIE-Fallback-Reason`	Response	The trigger that caused remote serving
`X-SIE-Fallback-Error`	Response	Present when the upstream attempt failed and the local refusal is returned

/v1/models would report the routing policy and the upstream kind for each model.

Generation

For a model SIE has onboarded, on an upstream that offers raw completions, SIE renders the prompt with its own chat template and parses tool calls itself. Otherwise the message list is forwarded at chat level. A request with a strict grammar uses the upstream's response_format, and the worker verifies the finished output.

The reason for preferring the first mode is that published comparisons of hosts serving the same weights point at templates and parsers as the main source of differences. The K2 Vendor Verifier is one example.

Egress and credentials

Layer	Control
Deployment	Nothing leaves until an operator defines an upstream and a model declares a policy. One setting disables all remote serving
Model	The routing block
Request	`X-SIE-Remote: forbid`
Network	Only the remote worker pool holds credentials. A NetworkPolicy limits its egress to the declared hosts
Transport	Redirects are refused. TLS is required outside loopback. A URL that carries credentials is rejected
Secrets	Given by reference. Never returned by a read API. Never logged or traced

Failure rules

Fallback happens only before local capacity accepts the work. No request is executed twice.
No fallback happens after the first byte has reached the caller.
A client error is never retried.
Each upstream has a circuit breaker and a required rate cap.
When the upstream also fails, or the cap is reached, the caller receives the original local refusal with its Retry-After.

Out of scope

Weighted or cost-based routing across several providers
Gateway-issued keys, budgets, semantic caching and guardrails
Provider-native dialects. An operator who needs them can place a translating gateway behind SIE as the upstream
Caller-supplied URLs or credentials
Storing request or response bodies

Suggested order of work

A remote-backed embedding model on a single node through an sie upstream. This carries the upstream definition, credential handling and the global switch
All four primitives through an sie upstream, with the identity check
An openai upstream for embeddings, rerank and generation
fallback on a single node, the request header and SDK support
A remote worker pool in the Helm chart, and remote_only through the queue
fallback in a cluster, with the breaker, the rate cap and the opt-in triggers
The equivalence probe and the configuration gate
threshold, behind a flag
Documentation, including a guide for moving from a hosted API to self-hosted one model at a time

The credential and egress handling in step 1 is a trust-boundary change and would be opened as its own small pull request for review.

Open questions

Which profile identity can both sides of an sie upstream compute and compare
Whether the rate cap applies per remote worker replica or across replicas
How the threshold demand estimate is shared across gateway replicas
How the gateway requests a model load without a work item, for the model_loading trigger
Which thresholds the equivalence probe uses. They need a measured noise floor between two local runs

Feedback wanted

Is a remote backend the right scope, as opposed to a general gateway
Is the worker the right place for the outbound call
Is the equivalence rule too strict or not strict enough
Are the default triggers and the required rate cap the right defaults

feat(server): add operator-defined upstreams with credential and egre…

feat(server): serve a remote-backed embedding model through an SIE up…

feat(server): disclose which side served and report routing in /v1/mo…

feat(server): declare openai upstream endpoints and operator request …

feat(config): refuse a remote profile that names an undefined upstream (

feat(server): serve embeddings and rerank through an openai upstream (#…

feat(helm): limit the remote lanes' network access with a NetworkPolicy

feat(helm): limit the remote lanes' network access with a NetworkPoli…

feat(helm): give sie-config the upstream names the remote lanes define

feat(helm): give sie-config the upstream names the remote lanes define (

Implementation audit and continuation, 2026-10-04:

The proposal's “nothing is built yet” description is now historical. Public main has upstream configuration and credential/egress controls, remote SIE encode/score/extract (including sparse/multivector and supported image inputs), OpenAI-compatible dense embeddings and reranking, remote profile/routing validation, request-level remote forbidding and disclosure, the remote worker bundle/Helm support, and per-worker upstream limits/circuit breaking. Single-node extraction and generation fallback are implemented. Exact fresh OpenAI and immutable SIE hybrid encode/score admission are available for one concrete worker; fleet admission and threshold policies remain guarded/refused.

Merged in this continuation:

feat(server): stream generation through a remote SIE upstream #514: native remote SIE buffered/streaming generation, with bounded stream parsing, terminal usage validation and cancellation/client cleanup fixes.
feat(server): serve native SIE chat through remote profiles #523: single-node SIE-upstream chat serving, shared response validation, strict-output checks, disclosure and stream cleanup. Independent review found and fixed private reasoning leaking through associated logprobs.
docs(server): explain remote backends and migration to self-hosted models #522: remote-backend operator guide and hosted-to-self-hosted migration guide, documenting supported behavior and current limits.
feat(queue): support load-only work and reply to backend fallback refusals #525: worker-side load-only items, backend retry outcomes answered as fallback refusals, and retry hints carried through Python IPC/sidecar/gateway. Load-only items are NATS-only; local ingest rejects them because ACK emits no local completion. This does not activate gateway fallback routing or implement all refusal paths.
fix(server): suppress private chat reasoning logprobs independently of thinking policy #527: suppress private reasoning token logprobs in the local chat sibling, including when thinking configuration is absent. This closes the local sibling found by the required security sweep for feat(server): serve native SIE chat through remote profiles #523.
feat(server): serve OpenAI upstream chat and raw generation #528: OpenAI upstream single-node chat and native raw generation, shared bounded chat transport, pinned endpoints/token limits, exact usage and cancellation/privacy coverage.
feat(server): serve remote chat through queued generation #529: queued SIE/OpenAI chat without local weights/tokenizers; onboarded queued raw-template preference, tools, multiple choices, strict JSON Schema verification and exact usage. Security review found two fragmented-tool/terminal-ordering bugs, both fixed and covered by regressions.
feat(server): expose conservative immutable profile identity #530: conservative immutable local-profile identity metadata for native BGE-M3, with pinned tokenizer/source/runtime settings. Unidentified engines and checkpoint-selected custom code remain refused. Hybrid admission is still closed.
feat(server): measure remote equivalence against local noise #531: versioned equivalence records and SDK-based probe with two measured local runs, complete numerical/layout checks, and before/after server-bound endpoint/model contract verification. Records do not activate hybrid admission.
fix(server): refuse remote generation before streaming headers #532: remote native generation streams are primed before HTTP success, retaining typed pre-output refusals and closing primed iterators on cancellation/disconnect.
fix(server): honor explicitly selected default profiles #534: explicitly selecting the default profile stays local; native generation forwards the caller selector to the shared router.
feat(server): bridge cold single-node generation before output #533: single-node generation fallback across native generation, chat, completions and Responses, with early validation, bounded pre-output attempts, original refusal/retry restoration and worker/config-service admission parity.
fix(remote): bind profile identity to hardware and BLAS #536: local profile identity is bound to observed CPU/GPU hardware, kernel/driver, numerical library builds and actual BLAS kernel/thread selection. Unknown observations remain closed.
feat(sdk): accept origin-confined configured HTTP clients #539: Python SIEClient can adopt a configured synchronous HTTP client while preserving credential/auth/transport policy, with same-origin confinement and SDK ownership of cleanup.
feat(remote): admit exact fresh OpenAI equivalence evidence #535: exact fresh version-2 OpenAI equivalence admission for one concrete worker device, including process binding, per-bridge freshness/default checks and startup-owned Helm policy rendering.
feat(server): preserve onboarded templates for direct remote chat #537: single-node onboarded raw-template chat preference, pinned local tokenizers without loading model weights, tools/strict-output checks, and native SIE reasoning initialization across receiving surfaces.
feat(remote): admit fresh matching SIE profile identity #540: fresh bounded SIE profile/weights identity admission for one concrete worker, plus per-socket absolute deadlines and bounded asynchronous response headers. TLS proxy trust behavior and metadata confinement were independently reviewed.
feat(gateway): publish load-only model readiness work #541: NATS gateway load-only producer, broker durability and transport refusal, without inference inputs/result collectors. This is the producer prerequisite; cluster routing activation is next.
feat(gateway): preserve validated remote routing policies #542: validated gateway routing policies, atomic snapshot/delta handling and explicit-profile policy clearing. Threshold remains refused until its coordinator is implemented.

All twenty-seven merged PRs were approved by CodeRabbit on their submitted commits and merged after green CI. Independent adversarial review covered transport, queue settlement, reasoning privacy, hardware identity and evidence authority. Transient Rust runner/tool-download failures were retried; no red check was bypassed.

fix(worker): enforce live configuration authority through execution #543: live worker execution authority, including Python configuration leases, hashed model/profile membership, grammar routing, selected batch operation payloads, and every sidecar dispatch barrier. Merged after exact-head CodeRabbit approval and green CI.
feat(worker): fence verified inference with versioned IPC methods #544: updated-only backend IPC entrypoints and default-false capability, merged at 5f832a4 after exact-head CodeRabbit approval and all 46 checks green.
feat(worker): fence verified dispatch with versioned queues #545: versioned direct queue/stream, current authority checks, exact subject/payload model matching, all-child capability aggregation and conservative health advertisement. CodeRabbit's two availability findings were fixed and threads resolved; final exact-head approval and green CI preceded merge at 2ba3d6e. Full post-rebase sidecar suites passed 652 default/670 cloud library tests, 14 binary and 30 integration tests each.
feat(gateway): enforce remote-forbid with verified worker dispatch #546: gateway X-SIE-Remote: forbid across inference ingress, fresh positive worker capability, exact current hash, versioned direct dispatch and no legacy retries. CodeRabbit's balancing finding and independent review's pressure-overflow finding were fixed; all checks green, exact-head approval and the resolved thread preceded merge at 19be847 (2026-10-03 23:46 UTC).
feat(gateway): bridge buffered cluster generation refusals #547: buffered cluster generation fallback across native generation, chat, completions and supported Responses. Cold local demand is retained; unloaded local workers receive durably accepted load-only work before one exact-authority remote attempt. Explicit caller selectors remain authoritative. Full gateway suites, post-rebase conformance, both Clippy configurations and independent adversarial review passed. Exact-head CodeRabbit approval and all CI green preceded merge at 6ec8dec (2026-10-04 00:06 UTC).
feat(gateway): restore cluster stream refusals before output #548: streaming cluster generation fallback on native generation, chat and completions. HTTP success waits for the first valid event; pre-output errors and cancelled/failed terminals restore the original local refusal, while later errors stay in-stream without replay. Full gateway suites passed 1591 default/1602 cloud library and binary tests plus NATS integrations. Both Clippy configurations and independent review passed. After parent merge/rebase, fresh exact-head CodeRabbit approval and all CI green preceded merge at 0ebc55c (2026-10-04 00:23 UTC).

The extraction/audio layer was delivered in #549. It shares local warm-up and exact worker admission, validates cheap caller-controlled input boundaries before demand/dispatch, preserves display-model names and fallback/retry headers, and retains the local refusal until the requested audio format is ready. Independent review findings on audio formatting, metadata sizing and typed input limits were fixed, with source clearance and focused regressions.

Remaining deliveries, in dependency order:

Complete cluster fallback: gateway profile choice, local warm-up/load-item production, bounded remote attempts across all pre-acceptance refusal paths, original-local-refusal restoration, opt-in triggers, fleet equivalence admission, request forbid control, telemetry and conformance tests.
Flagged threshold policy with coordinated demand/wake behavior across gateway replicas.
Recorded cold-start and equivalence evidence, with the required product review. No performance/equivalence claims should be made before those measurements.

The issue remains open. The new guides explain migration checks without claiming that model names or matching dimensions prove equivalence.

feat(gateway): bridge cluster extraction and audio refusals #549: cluster native extraction and audio transcription cold/loading bridges, bounded worker-compatible input validation, exact metadata size accounting, requested-model preservation, and original-refusal restoration through audio response formatting. Merged at 2026-10-04 00:46:11 UTC as b009e9f40c62a20a6f3a36ec0e5c5a4db95d1467, with CodeRabbit approval on the exact submitted head and green CI.
feat(gateway): opt in to pre-acceptance remote spill #550: opt-in saturation/unhealthy fallback across buffered and streaming surfaces, scoped refusal evidence and pure pre-dispatch pressure checks. The unhealthy retry-hint finding was fixed. Exact-head CodeRabbit approval and all CI green preceded merge at 4f3a62efbc7ea05023afa8adf37815447dc9f5d1 (2026-10-04 01:31:12 UTC).

Current continuation: #551 adds bounded fallback telemetry, a persistent-remote alert/dashboard, idle-period reset and valid-local-output reset. Full default/cloud-storage gateway validation, both Clippy configurations and independent adversarial review passed; CodeRabbit/CI are running. Coordinated threshold implementation is next. Numerical fleet admission and actual acceptance measurements remain open; issue #415 is not complete.

feat: answer a remote fallback attempt at once and take a load-only w…

feat(queue): support load-only work and reply to backend fallback ref…

feat(remote): bind equivalence evidence to execution identity, not on…

feat(server): identify flash BGE-M3 profiles with exact library builds (

feat(config): accept hybrid encode and score routing in a cluster (#576)

feat(helm): mount equivalence evidence into remote lanes (#577)

feat(remote): measure equivalence through a cluster gateway (#579)

feat(remote): report remote admissions in worker health (#578)

feat(remote): re-verify the numerical admission before an admitted it…

feat(gateway): bridge encode and score under a numerical admission

fix(gateway): validate, cover and pin numerical bridges

fix(remote): report the admission subject and answer stale admitted work

fix(gateway): cover only the model's own pool and keep unbridgeable r…

feat(remote): measure the local serving envelope in the equivalence p…

feat(gateway): bridge encode and score under a numerical admission (#587

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Where the call is made

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Policies

Equivalence rule for encode and score

Caller contract

Generation

Egress and credentials

Failure rules

Out of scope

Suggested order of work

Open questions

Feedback wanted

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