Alchemist

[fuzzything44]

Alchemist class still has nothing. The class can spend kp on unlocking new ingredients to then use in potions. Maybe it can also use ingredients to enhance buildings.

What ingredients are added? How do they get them once unlocked? How do ingredients enhance buildings?

And then after everything is figured out, it all needs to be implemented.

[TheFoolAsWell]

A thought to start things going:
Inventor is needed for getting the bag. Sorcerer is great for farming essence. Should Alchemist be good if you want to grow your total mana?

If so, what would be a good way of doing that?

[fuzzything44]

Well, one of the things that I want to do is have a potion that requires mithril, meaning you need to try all 3 classes to get it. Maybe that potion helps with the mana formula?

The main issue with alchemist is that it's generating potions/ingredients that can then be used by other classes, so if you increase mana gain as alchemist you massively help mage/essence strategies too. Is this a bad thing? Maybe, maybe not.

Also, when balancing alchemist it's important to keep in mind that it's available pretty early - before essence can be gained even. So adding it can't be late game content, more late midgame content.

[TheFoolAsWell]

Actually, having it as a class that allows you to generate potions that you keep between prestiges might be worth doing.

Just thinking sort-of-aloud here:
Early game content: Make potions that boost an alchemists runs.

Mid-game: Require things from all three classes to craft a potion-magic-bag. Doesn't give a percentage but can store an upgradable number of potions. A sort of permanent bag of holding.

Late-game: provide potions that can be stored to be used in a later run to boost gains.

That way the class develops as you work through the stages.

Still doesn't actually get any concrete features.

[fuzzything44]

Potions already are kept between runs by the way.

[TheFoolAsWell]

re: Potion that requires mithril.

Once you have magic bag and some mithril then you can steadily build up quantities of mithril over many runs since you don't normally use it. Then needing it for a potion would be rather too easy. One solution is that you can't store mithril in a magic bag. It would make sense as that bag is sort of made of mithril. So, instead you have to use bag of holding to store some mithril. That would mean you'd have to fashion a bag of holding (sorcerer), then make some mithril (inventor) and then use it (alchemist).

The downside is that it may just make it too much work for players to use unless the potion is really powerful, and if it is then would it be too unbalancing. The alternative is for it to be too unbalancing but being the staging point for some higher level prestige system. I.e. you prestige level 2 for some really nice bonuses and reset everything else and have to start again. If this were to be done then it might be worth having an ingredient only found in the tower, at some ascension level, that is necessary for the whole process.

[fuzzything44]

Okay, enough ingredients were added that I feel good enough to remove the back-out option from this class. It still definitely needs more, but it's not as terrible as it was before.