What is this about? Dont do it. Let vscode come to netbeans. Not the other way around. Happy for any discussion on this topic

[priyanahata]

Dont do it.
Let vscode come to netbeans.
Not the other way around.
Happy for any discussion on this topic

[JaroslavTulach]

• I am a strong believer in common ground concept
• It worked for NetBeans & JDeveloper
• It is working well for NetBeans & VSCode
  • for example with the HTML UI sharing, but not only that

Let vscode come to netbeans.

• it’s not about who comes to whom …
• … it’s about getting those two closer together …
• to have common ground!
• Once a common ground is established then both sides can benefit from mutual cooperation.

[priyanahata]

I know @JaroslavTulach. I know who you are. (I didnt know you had worked on Jdeveloper though) I am a big Nb fan. Been coding java since i was 18, i am 47 now. I have never used JDeveloper but I am very interested because in the health of NetBeans for a very simple selfish reason. You see when i was 19 i got my first Java developer job. we were using an IDE called Kawa. After a few years using Kawa, I went on a little wonder around to explore the wonders of this planet, i wanted to get back to coding and.... Kawa had totally vanished of the face of the earth and as you probably know, having to learn a new Java IDE is worse than changing your keyboard for ANY other keyboard but I found NetBeans (this was like about 18 years ago when my wife got pregnant with our oldest, we have 5 now)

If you had 5 children and the main most important tool you had used for the last 18 years to feed your kids was NetBeans, today you would also know who Tulach is.

Few years later, I started a small, work form home company of Java developers, we grew up to 7-8 java devs. The most beautiful people you could dream of working with. We all used NetBeans and we just loved it. We did it for about 10 years. i also had one "corporate" job were they were also using NetBeans. Today, I only have an app in production which was orginally developed on NB/glassfish/jeee 18 years ago. My father owned a cow slaughter house so he asked me if If could make something for them to manage their business. My father passed away like 10-11 years ago but the the business goes on and I am still using NB to support it and it is still using the same stack but with more beautiful names "jakarta", "payara", you know.

I "shaked in fear" when oracle but sun thinking... "oh no" I am going to end up in eclipse.... so i started chasing Geertjan to get some "insider itel" to "hat the f**** is going to happen to nb".... and I remember to this day -like people remember the Eiffel Tower- an email from Geertjan where he was outlining his "happiness" about the Apache move as a monkey outlines is happiness about eating bananas.

So yeah, About 6 months ago i was watching youtube videos on AI stuff and hearing over and over about VsCode, Antigravity, Cursor, Open Code, Copilot, etc. So i thought, i dont wan't to change IDE again so 15 years later I started poking Geertjan again.... and thought of writing a plugin for NetBeans that uses what could be called the OG apis to get an AI to do my coding on netbeans.

As you can imagine, given that Gemini and ChatGPT and all these dont seem to have had too much nb during their "training" i ended surfing the netbeans sources like FileObject, looking at the names in the @author tags and googling those names wondering were the creators of this amazing piece of software could 30 years after inception. So i came across a few names.

I had this vague idea that it was originally "eastern european" or "around there" but digging digging i realised this was the real "Cheq Tech"

I should have probably started with this but I mean, you have done an incredible job Tulach. You Petr, Kovalsky, Stanek and every one else that should be mentioned and credited for the good work. You know.... if 30 years later we are still here its because the foundations are solid and good. And if 30 years later, we are here standing on a solid good foundation that can evolve through IT time. It couldnt have been written by just "good/gun developers".

Looking at the OG netbeans code and with the very very brief exchanges i had on Linked In with Petr and Kovalsky (and now with you) you can see the magic was never the "coding skills", the magic was that a bunch of guys with a beautiful heart got together to have some fun.

You probably know better than anybody else that is not easy for a piece of software -and specially with the complexity of an IDE- to stand on the same ground where it was standing 30 years ago.

VsCode hasn't gotten anywhere near that and I dont think it will ever do, neither did the other thing microsoft was using before VsCode (I cant remember the name now)

In principle, with all the ai and the upcoming consensus/singularity on the table. I dont see how a "language agnostic IDE" like VsCode could ever be any better than what you guys started. I don't think. Maybe you are right, and maybe i am wrong. As a matter of fact it would be better for me if you were right and i were wrong.

Its like apple and the cross platform concept. Not the "write once run anywhere type of people" but more into making things for their super mega closed platform only.... and they are yet to be proven wrong... like their move on "totally ignoring AI spending and firing their AI staff on top of that" could end up being the real "move 47" of Sillicon Valley.

I is just my feeling / intuition that i am sharing with you. Not scientific evidence. I know you have spent way way more time than me working on IDEs. You have more "experienced" based knowledge and more "evidence" to support your position. What i wrote was just "first thought intuition"

Anwyays Boss. If I ever come across you on the physical plane, I am going to have to offer you the biggest beer in town. Hope you don't mind.

Hope this video makes you laugh https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NWBJWpGCkPM
And if you ever need to talk bad about your mother in law, this is the best place in the world to do so: https://discord.gg/KeYrf525

[priyanahata]

@JaroslavTulach I was checking your api design wiki website and "confessions" of developing netbeans your history on graalvm, today i again came across your name in the @author tag of some netbeans source code file.... and i saw your linked profile

This made laugh Tulach: very rare for an oracle employee to put this on their linked in profile

Love your spirit. Hopefully one day our paths will cross and we will do some work together

[priyanahata]

Oh and the other good one that i saw on the nb logs once was like : "Ho ho, this is not the real mackoy" (with some Lookup class that was not the one in the module class loader or something like that). I just love to see this kind of stuff in the logs. It always cheers up the developer that comes next

I am sure you have been comended a million times for your work, but yeah, first java ide in java and first real world "java modular application"

If you are cristian, i bet you the day you die, Saint Peter will be at the gates of haven telling everyone in the queue: out of the way, Tulach is here, let him come through

[priyanahata]

And i saw the enzo analytics website too..... looks like it was also made by a very good java developer.... i used to tell my clients: if you need a website, get someone else, if our developers make you a website, it would be the most horrible website in the world

[priyanahata]

Last time, last channel, if you need some ai on your netbeans terminal, you have to ask, complain, talk loud